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Brian,My father-in-law is gay, and he is convinced...

2008-05-20T17:08:00.000-04:00

Brian,

My father-in-law is gay, and he is convinced that God made him that way and that he is perfectly within the will of God to live such a lifestyle.

I've read books he's given me and listened to lots of people tell me that we are to be loving and tolerant of this deal.

I think it's important to understand that while we can't always choose our attractions (some are tempted by alcohol while others aren't; some are tempted by pornography, others aren't; some are tempted to root for the Detroit Tigers, while real Christians root for the Minnesota Twins...you get the idea), we can choose how we respond to those attractions, with the help of God.

I think the "born gay" is years away from any real consensus, as even gay scientists can't agree on the presence of a gay gene. But even if it were found to be true, the fact is that behavior is still discussed in Scripture as something that can be controlled. Homosexual behavior is sinful, and God can (and does) help those who struggle and want to leave that lifestyle.

I also agree that this is the perfect place to discuss this issue. I would also caution my fellow pastors that in discussing this issue, we need to remember that it is helpful to discuss this in the context of sexual sin in general - that any sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage between a man and a woman is sin.

Thanks for having the guts to discuss this publicly, Brian.

Brian L.

Homosexuality is something the devil brings on - i...

2008-05-15T15:22:00.000-04:00

Homosexuality is something the devil brings on - it is a demon , just like the demon of alcohol or uncontrollable sexual urges, kleptomaniacs, etc. Ther are demons sent by satan to attack peoples' minds and hearts and lives. Once we understand that there will be no more debates as to genetic defects. It is unnatural and against the purpose for which God created humans. Satan pulls the wool over our eyes easier and easier because we don't really know the truth about God and His word. This is stated clearly in the Bible. It is also stated that in the last days this sin of homosexuality will try to insert itself in the church of Christ declaring itself holy. Study the Bible dear pastor and you might be surprised by how definite the word of God is on this issue and many more. How can you baptise or even accept homosexuals in your church. I am NOT taking a high moral ground but how can sin and holiness glorify God together. 2Cor. 6:14...

First of all, a church forum is the BEST place to ...

2008-05-12T08:40:00.000-04:00

First of all, a church forum is the BEST place to be discussing this issue, and I am glad you are Brian.

Second, I think it is important to realize there is a difference in being born a full-fledged homosexual, and being born with homosexual tendencies.

I love the example of Alcoholism. It's a close (but not perfect) parallel. Genes play a part in that they help aid the process. Certain people are just more prone to becoming an alcoholic, but they are not born that way.

So there is a difference in being born a homosexual, and being born with the genetic makeup to where you are more susceptible to it. Either way...you have to feed the urges, and that's where the sin comes in.

The terms here are "homoerotic" and "homosexual". Some might be born "homoerotic", but a homosexual is what you become...which is sinful.

Brian,I think secular psychologists and secular bi...

2008-05-10T21:56:00.000-04:00

Brian,

I think secular psychologists and secular biologists and their homosexual imprinting theories are a bunch of crXp!

These people have different agendas which are driven by their own gains. Their "research funding" is probably paid for, at least in part, by companies who target products and services to the homosexual community.

It has happened before. Tobacco companies paid hundreds of millions of $$$$$ for research to prove that tobacco was not a health issue. Will Christians, and the rest of humanity, be duped by this so called "research" into believing that homosexual genes do exist?

The enemy wants everyone to believe that homosexuality, along with most other sins, is okay in the enlightened society in which we live.

If more things are okay then we have fewer sins to be sorry for. Homosexuals will have less of a need for a saviour. Homosexuality is just one the many sins that are committed by each one of us each day.

When more types of sin become acceptable, including homosexuality, which is just one of many types of sin, less people on earth will feel the need to repent. The kingdom of darkness wins more souls. Not because of people's sinful homosexual lifestyles but because less of these people will become sorry for their behaviors, and less will ever feel the need for a saviour.

Ed

Why all the talk about homosexuality? It seems yo...

2008-05-10T20:51:00.000-04:00

Why all the talk about homosexuality? It seems you are a little too much involved with this controversy. I agree it should be discussed, but not in a church forum. Please re-think.

Brian, I agree with you that it really doesn't mat...

2008-05-09T14:08:00.000-04:00

Brian, I agree with you that it really doesn't matter, but as far as I know, there are no studies that have proven there is a gene for sexual orientation. Please let me know if you know of one. Ultimately, it is still a choice.

Hi Bryon,I've never heard that, but it makes sense...

2008-05-09T12:23:00.000-04:00

Hi Bryon,

I've never heard that, but it makes sense. I know Origen took that verse literally and...well...the rest is history.

Brian

Dude, you're making so much sense here it's almost...

2008-05-09T12:01:00.000-04:00

Dude, you're making so much sense here it's almost scary. I've been thinking that Christ would probably be hanging out with gay people if he came back today and most of us "church folk" would condemn him for hanging out with such "sinful people." It's definitely time to re-evaluate how we respond to people who are struggling with sin, no matter what that sin is (or how personally offended we might be by that particular sin).

I had never ever before looked at homosexuality fr...

2008-05-09T10:44:00.000-04:00

I had never ever before looked at homosexuality from that vantage point. Thank you Brian.

This is a MASSIVE church issue... will it ever make a series?

I believe God made humans in His image, "male and ...

2008-05-09T10:33:00.000-04:00

I believe God made humans in His image, "male and female created He them" (Gen. 1:27).

I have a friend in the Church who has shared how God rescued him from the sinful life of homosexuality. He said it's a powerful lust, and difficult to fight, but fight by faith, and through the Holy Spirit he does.

"... there are good organizations (Regeneration, www.regenerationministries.org; and Exodus International, www.exodus-international.org) that specifically focus on reaching homosexuals with the good news of Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins. They reach out in love with authentic compassion for lost souls, never compromising the truth of the Gospel."

It’s pretty clear most secular psychologists and b...

2008-05-09T09:47:00.000-04:00

It’s pretty clear most secular psychologists and biologists are convinced homosexual orientation is imprinted genetically at birth. And they have piles of studies and journals to back up their claims.
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Aren't we all good postmoderns by now?

"Scientists Say" is not a really good argument these days... especially when you have friends show you some of those studies and you realize the bias reeking out of them.

I think this is a bad 'argument' to have in the fi...

2008-05-09T09:23:00.000-04:00

I think this is a bad 'argument' to have in the first place.

I was not born strait. I was born man.

I was born as a human designed to, um, interact with a women.

Though I strongly disagree with the following statement:
It’s pretty clear most secular psychologists and biologists are convinced homosexual orientation is imprinted genetically at birth.

I don't think MOST is an accurate word.

Brian:What do you think about this verse:Matt 19:1...

2008-05-09T09:20:00.000-04:00

Brian:

What do you think about this verse:
Matt 19:12 For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He who is able to accept it, let him accept it.”

I've heard men that have come out of the lifestyle compare gay men to eunuchs of old. But I've never heard them connect the concept to the above words of Jesus. Any thoughts?

I couldn't agree more. Most Christians believe th...

2008-05-09T08:22:00.000-04:00

I couldn't agree more. Most Christians believe that people are born sinners, and they will name some specific sins like anger, but for some reason they think if we say that someone can possibly be born gay, we are saying that God made a mistake.